Chris Cheek Interview, NYC

By Filipe Freitas

Chris Cheek, 2015 - photo by © Clara Pereira


Name: Chris Cheek
Instrument: saxophone
Style: post-bop, contemporary jazz
Album Highlights: I Wish I Knew (FSNT, 1997); Vine (FSNT, 2000); Keepers of the Eastern Door (Analog Tone Fatory, 2025).








When did you first decide to become a musician?
Playing music and having a career in music are two very different things! When I started practicing and taking lessons in middle school, for some reason, playing the saxophone resonated with me. Because of the outlets I had in summer programs and the regular school-year public band classes, I developed meaningful friendships and had a lot of fun playing with kindred souls! I guess this was my first experience of a “chosen” family outside the one I was born into. I never doubted that listening to and trying to play music was central to my life, but to be honest, trying to figure out a way to translate that fascination and wonder into making a living is something that I still struggle with daily. I’m still not sure if I’m cut out for the “career” aspect of being a performer in the traditional sense. 

For your new quartet album, Keepers of the Eastern Door, you drew inspiration from a wide range of sources—Native Americans culture (especially the Mohawk people), literature (John Steinbeck’s The Pearl), and photography (Edward Curtis’ The Kutenai Duck Hunter and The Canyon de Chelly). How did these diverse art forms shape your approach to music and influence the final result?
The idea of working with pre-existing text as a way to develop melody and rhythm is an interesting prospect to me. In literature, good writing has a recognizable pace and flow to it.  Because of the abstract nature of instrumental music, having the underlying structure and form that words suggest helps me work towards finding shape and clarity with musical ideas. Looking at the contrast, color and balance in these photographs by Edward Curtis inspired me to consider those elements in music. In these pictures, the stillness and vastness of the space surrounding the figures reminds me of how what’s not there helps give an identity to what is! 

If I’m not mistaken, this was your first time recording with Bill Frisell and two of his regular collaborators—Tony Scherr and Rudy Royston. How did that collaboration come about? Have you guys played together before in concert?
I first met and played with Bill when Chris Potter and I subbed for Joe Lovano on one of Paul Motian’s trio gigs at the Knitting Factory years ago. Some time later, Bill asked me to play with his group at the Vanguard in New York for a week, followed by a performance at the Cheltenham jazz festival in the UK; Tony and Rudy were both on those gigs. Last year I heard Bill’s trio with Tony and Rudy at the Drake in Amherst, MA. When Jerome Sabbagh offered me the chance to record for his label, he suggested asking Bill to be a part of it. So, having just heard Bill’s band, it seemed like a unique opportunity to play with his trio that has such a long and rich history of working together. 

The covers on the album span various genres - from classical (Messiaen and Purcell) and pop (The Beatles) to traditional jazz. How did you go about selecting them? 
I enjoy different styles of music… when a song catches my ear, I’m often compelled to transcribe it and in doing so, find a deeper appreciation of often simple and obvious things. This feels like an important part of an ongoing learning and ‘refreshing’ process and not taking anything in music for granted. As a saxophone player, it’s an interesting challenge to try to translate vocal melodies to the instrument. And as someone who likes to improvise, I enjoy trying to turn songs that aren’t necessarily designed that way, into vehicles for improvisation. I’ve been collecting these different songs for a while now and for this recording there felt like some type of continuity based on the feeling that these pictures by Edward Curtis suggested to me. 

How do you see the current state of the jazz world?
I’ve been very fortunate, in addition to playing with some amazing professional musicians, to meet many talented and inspired young students across the jazz world. There are more and more valuable educational resources available now to those who are willing to do the work to discover them. In many corners of the globe, the seeds of Jazz have sprouted and blossomed into healthy and robust scenes where not that long ago, there was little or nothing. In my experience, with the exception of some of the bigger “name” clubs, the venues where jazz musicians perform are supported and propelled by handfuls of individuals who do what they do for the love of it. Since the advent of Bebop, jazz hasn’t been a “popular” music and for the player, there’s seldom the monetary compensation for all the time and effort it takes to refine the craft. The rewards are the experience, working towards actualizing one’s unique potential and the personal, human connections that come along with the concerts. I think it will continue to be important to try to build an audience of informed listeners starting with the youngest in our society. Exposing children at an early age to the wonders of music and playing an instrument will help to elevate their curiosity and sensitivity to sound and also insure that there will continue to be listeners out there who value music that sometimes takes a little more effort to appreciate. 

Can you name two people who influenced you the most as a musician?
My first and main musical influence was my father, Robert Cheek. He was a public middle school band director in Webster Groves, MO. for 37 years. I remember going to his school band concerts and being in the band room surrounded by all the different instruments and listening to his students rehearse and perform. He was a steadfast support and made sure I had lessons all throughout junior high school and high school. He also listened to and commented on all the CD’s I sent him and came to NY several times when I had chances to play at clubs like Sweet Basil and Birdland.  His wise and gentle nature influenced me in ways I’m only beginning to understand. Although he only met him once, his father was a musician in the St. Louis area, so I guess it’s in our blood.
My high school band director, Don Kinnison, was another early influence. I was lucky enough to have two hours of band every day in high school; both jazz and concert band. My freshman year we had a big band, after that we only had enough students for a small combo. It was a valuable and unique experience. Monday was devoted to ear training and theory, then we would play tunes and try to improvise; Fridays were listening days and he would play records from the school’s library and eventually we could bring in records of our own. Don was also a professional keyboard player and some of the first gigs I did were with the club date band he was in playing for weddings and other functions. He was my first encounter with a “working” musician! 

Can you name two people whom you’ve never collaborated with but you’d like to?
John Scofield and Tom Harrell.

If you weren’t a musician, what would you be?
Up til now, although it may have been the largest slice of the pie, music is just a part of my life. I continue to explore other interests like drawing, photography and gardening. I think if playing music wasn’t a possibility though, and I didn’t have my hands and fingers to protect, I would enjoy working for the parks dept. or as a landscaper of sorts. However, both my parents were public school teachers and I still hold hopes that I’ll be able to serve in more of an educational capacity as time goes on. 

What projects are you currently working on? 
I have a couple recordings in the can that I’m waiting to release into the wild. One is a tribute to Paul Motian and his music that I recorded in St. Louis last summer with two wonderful musicians who live there - pianist Zach Radwine and bassist Bob DeBoo. I also arranged and recorded some music for baritone saxophone and violin with my partner, Angela Shyr. This eclectic project is called “XO Planet” and should be rising on the horizon sometime later this year!

Andrew Rathbun Interview, NYC

By Filipe Freitas

Andrew Rathbun, 2017. Photo by © Clara Pereira



Name: Andrew Rathbun
Instrument: saxophone
Style: post-bop, straight-ahead, contemporary
Album Highlights: Sculptures (FSNT, 2002); True Stories (FSNT, 2000); Atwood Suites (Origin, 2018).




You are nominated - and not for the first time - for a JUNO Award with your new quintet (album Semantics). What does this represent to you?
It’s always nice when your work is recognized! I’ve been doing this a long time, and this is my 20th recording as a leader. There are some really great Canadian jazz musicians, and so it’s really encouraging to be included in those circles. I’m just happy to be in the mix, and I know full well that there is just so much subjectivity that goes into these things. 

Tell us about the four other members of your quintet. When did you play with each of them for the first time and what are their musical qualities you like the most?
Rich Perry has been one of my favorite musicians for a really long time. His lyricism, his sound, his patience as an improvisor, has always been a big inspiration for me. I thought it would be interesting to do a project with him and try to act as both a foil and as a compliment to what he brings to the table. Gary Versace is one of the most incredible musicians and piano players I’ve ever worked with. He is always surprising, and he adds so much to my compositions. He has this ability to hone in on the intent, digest the harmony, then put his own spin on everything. Bassist John Hébert is the musician that I’ve known the longest, he is the bassist on my very first record from 1998. I love his sound, his vibe, his pulse, and his freedom. He dances and glides through everything he plays, and like Gary, brings beautiful surprise to everything he touches. Billy Drummond is someone I’ve always wanted to play with, and John suggested him for this date. He has such an engaging feel, that’s loose but feels so fantastic. Some of the pieces had specific “drum parts” and Billy took all of those to the next level, sometimes layering other ideas and rhythms on top of what was there, creating a totally new vibe. He’s a master musician and playing with him couldn’t have been any easier. 

Name your main jazz influences and a favorite record for each of them.
I always struggle with this question. I feel like whenever I answer this, it’s dependent on the day. 
Right now, I am devouring the new Sonny Rollins biography (which is EXCELLENT, go get it RIGHT NOW!) so I’ve been going back thru all of his discography as they appear in the book, and it’s been fascinating. I’ve learned so much from reading it, and it’s been great to revisit all of those classic records. His development as an artist and his commitment to constantly searching for something is inspirational. 
As for some other influences, the only other one that I care to mention at this particular time is Wayne Shorter. He’s had a massive influence on me as a player and as a writer. I have included a Wayne tune on most of my last few records (we played “Etcetera” on Character Study) and it’s hard to quantify just how much I love his music. He had a huge influence on my soprano playing. The philosophy that he had for both his art and his life is also deeply thought provoking. 
It’s really tough to single out just one record form either of their discographies, but I’ll choose Speak No Evil for Wayne, because it was the first record of his I bought and listened to, and The Bridge for Sonny because that’s where I am in the book and the latest one of his that I revisited. 

Do you listen to any non-jazz music style? If yes, any recommendations?
Sure, I listen to lots of different things all the time. One of the many benefits of being a teacher is that the students bring things that they are listening to so I get exposed to things that I might not have come across on my own. I am also part of this group called Jazz Composers Present and each month they do a listening roundtable, and I get to check out records from a really wide variety of idioms, as it’s not just limited to “jazz’ per se. 
One of my favorite non-jazz artists is Sting, and we are headed to hear him in a few weeks. The Police and all his solo records are amazing. 
I’ve been listening to some recordings of Lewis Spratlan, a great composer who I met at the Atlantic Center for the Arts. He recently passed away, and I’ve been going back through some of his recordings. 

Name two persons whom you've never collaborated with but you'd like to.

I’d love to play with Brian Blade, and I’d love to collaborate on a project with the Metropole Orkest in the Netherlands. 

In your perspective, what needs to change in the current jazz scene?
I don’t have anything new to add to this. It’s been said many times over; artists need to be better paid for their “content” (a term I hate because it reduces people’s life’s work to a commodity). The streaming model is here to stay, and we have to figure out how to operate in this sphere, but the compensation for artists by the streaming services is absurd. 
It all comes down to what we all decide we want to place our “value” on, and what that really means. 
Although this is not directly a comment on the jazz scene, I feel that we need to support music education in primary and secondary education, as we've seen many programs being reduced or eliminated. And speaking of value, this type of education should be seen in the same light as any academic pursuit, rather than seen as “extra-curricular.” 

7 - If you weren't a musician, what would you have been?
That’s a really tough one…..I can’t really see myself doing much else, especially at this point in my life! I do enjoy reading about politics and history, so maybe something in public policy? Although I’m not sure I’m patient enough for a gig like that! 

8 - Projects for the near future?
I have a new record coming out in September called The Speed of Time that features John Hébert, Gary Versace and Tom Rainey. I’m involved with a project called NODES that has a heavy electronic component, and we have a project in the can that we are hoping to release in the fall. It’s the follow up to our Incubated Dilemma Machine release that came out last year on Koshkill Records. 
I’m headed to The Vermont Center for the Creative Arts this week, to try and complete a new large ensemble project. I look forward to a few days of uninterrupted writing!